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Parallella Community Supercomputing for Everyone 2014-03-22T16:01:12+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/feed.php?f=9&t=880 2014-03-22T16:01:12+00:00 2014-03-22T16:01:12+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=6625#p6625 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by shodruk — Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:01 pm


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2014-03-19T09:54:35+00:00 2014-03-19T09:54:35+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=6578#p6578 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]>
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A benchmark for accelerators. All the big boys seem to be on the chart. Step forwards Epiphany!!

tery

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2014-03-18T12:17:59+00:00 2014-03-18T12:17:59+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=6566#p6566 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by shodruk — Tue Mar 18, 2014 12:17 pm


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2014-03-17T11:34:29+00:00 2014-03-17T11:34:29+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=6551#p6551 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by greytery — Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:34 am


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2014-02-25T11:12:22+00:00 2014-02-25T11:12:22+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=6181#p6181 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by shodruk — Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:12 am


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2014-02-24T18:29:10+00:00 2014-02-24T18:29:10+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=6178#p6178 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by greytery — Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:29 pm


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2014-01-19T16:35:21+00:00 2014-01-19T16:35:21+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5715#p5715 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by greytery — Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:35 pm


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2014-01-17T21:02:57+00:00 2014-01-17T21:02:57+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5697#p5697 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by mhonman — Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:02 pm


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2014-01-17T18:22:32+00:00 2014-01-17T18:22:32+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5694#p5694 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by eoghanoh — Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:22 pm


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2014-01-17T18:17:07+00:00 2014-01-17T18:17:07+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5693#p5693 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by shodruk — Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:17 pm


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2014-01-17T12:12:17+00:00 2014-01-17T12:12:17+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5690#p5690 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by mhonman — Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:12 pm


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2014-01-16T23:52:22+00:00 2014-01-16T23:52:22+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5676#p5676 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> ) Deadline, but I hope there will be no pain. I'm patiently waiting for my two Epihany III boards which I hope to get before that Deadline expires.

@eoghanoh - a couple of thoughts on your posts ..

You refer to shodruk's excellent and exciting demo: "if it scales linearly (as shodruk's mandelbrot demo shows)".
Shodruck writes that his multi-core timing results show that the application is not linear, but near linear.
Using Amdahl's equation to make a guess at the application seriality, it shows a small seriality factor as core numbers increase.
Playing with the numbers, extrapolating up to 64 and then on up to 1024, 4096 (er, I mean 4095) cores shows that this tiny serial component would be significant at the higher values. Theoretically though, it's still an impressive speedup, and that's before looking at the energy costs.
(I'm breaking a Golden Rule of performance engineering here: "Interpolate not extrapolate", but this is just for fun, OK)

You also show numbers for your application runs on the i7. Charting your results shows a huge tail-off as the effects of seriality and coherence (see N.Gunther) kick in from the Hyperthreading chip and operating system. If you tried this on someone's larger 12 (Hyperthreading) CPU Intel machine it's likely that you would not get much more speedup.
(I've worked on the performance of large Xeon and Hyperdome systems, which go up to a couple of hundred cores, and shown that real speedup curves can actually be negative at higher core numbers! Mileage varies considerably with the application).

As and when you recode/rerun for Epiphany, it's likely that the coherence effects will be considerably less - as has been said, bare metal, less Windoze or Linuzzz to get in the way - but there will still be some seriality which becomes significant at higher CPU numbers.

So I don't think there is "any hope of linear speedup". Near, but no cigar.

Looking forward to any results you may get if/when you get access to the chips. This is exactly the sort of games I intend to play myself. :-)

tery

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2014-01-11T22:16:21+00:00 2014-01-11T22:16:21+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5617#p5617 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by eoghanoh — Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:16 pm


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2014-01-10T00:33:42+00:00 2014-01-10T00:33:42+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5594#p5594 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by ed2k — Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:33 am


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2014-01-09T12:14:08+00:00 2014-01-09T12:14:08+00:00 https://parallella.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=880&p=5588#p5588 <![CDATA[Re: Epiphany vs Intel Core i7]]> Statistics: Posted by shodruk — Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:14 pm


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